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Children, Young People and Education Committee |
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Meeting Venue: |
Committee Room 1 - Senedd |
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Meeting date: |
Thursday, 13 November 2014 |
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Meeting time: |
09.20 - 12.20 |
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This meeting can be viewed on
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Assembly Members: |
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Ann Jones AM (Chair) Paul Davies AM (in place of Angela Burns AM) Joyce Watson AM (in place of Keith Davies AM) Suzy Davies AM John Griffiths AM Bethan Jenkins AM Lynne Neagle AM David Rees AM Aled Roberts AM Simon Thomas AM |
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Witnesses: |
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Huw Lewis AM, The Minister for Education and Skills Helen Jones, Welsh Government Simon Moss, Welsh Government Keith Towler, Children’s Commissioner for Wales Eleri Thomas, Chief Executive, Children's Commissioner for Wales office |
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Committee Staff: |
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Marc Wyn Jones (Clerk) Gareth Rogers (Second Clerk) Sarah Bartlett (Deputy Clerk) Anne Thomas (Researcher) Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Adviser) |
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Transcript
View the meeting transcript.
1 Introductions, apologies and substitutions
The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting. Apologies were received from Keith Davies, Joyce Watson substituted.
2 Higher Education (Wales) Bill - Stage 2: Consideration of Amendments
The Chair said that the Committee would consider the amendments in the order in which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.
The Committee disposed of the following amendments:
Section 27
Amendment 51 (Simon Thomas)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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5 |
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0 |
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As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 51 was not agreed. |
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Section 28
Amendment 52 (Simon Thomas)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
Paul Davies Suzy Davies
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3 |
5 |
2 |
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Amendment 52 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 57 (Simon Thomas)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 57 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 28 (Suzy Davies)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 28 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 58 - As Amendment 57 was not agreed Amendment 58 fell
Section 29
Amendment 59 was not moved on accordance with Standing Order 26.65
Amendment 29 (Suzy Davies)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Simon Thomas Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 29 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 60 was not moved on accordance with Standing Order 26.65
Amendment 30 - As Amendment 29 was not agreed Amendment 30 fell
Sections 30 and 31: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Section 32
Amendment 11 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in
accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Sections 33 to 35: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Section 36
Amendment 12 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 13 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 14 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 55 (Suzy Davies)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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Amendment 55 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 56 (Suzy Davies)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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0 |
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Amendment 56 was not agreed. |
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Section 37: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.
Section 38
Amendment 15 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 16 – As amendment 9 was not agreed Amendment 16 fell
Amendment 17 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Section 39: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.
Section 40
Amendment 18 - As amendment 9 was not agreed Amendment 18 fell
Section 41 to 44: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Section 45
Amendment 41(Aled Roberts)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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Amendment 41 was not agreed. |
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New Section
Amendment 2 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
New Section
Amendment 3 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Section 46: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.
Section 47
Amendment 31 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66
Section 48
Amendment 19 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 20 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 21 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Section 49
Amendment 22 - As amendment 9 was not agreed Amendment 22 fell
Sections 50 and 51: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Section 52
Amendment 32 (Suzy Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 33 (Suzy Davies) was agreed
in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 34 (Suzy Davies)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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Amendment 34 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 35 (Suzy Davies)
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For |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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0 |
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Amendment 35 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 36 (Suzy Davies) was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 37 (Suzy Davies) was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Amendment 23 was not moved in accordance with Standing Order 26.65
Amendment 38 (Suzy Davies)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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0 |
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Amendment 38 was not agreed. |
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New Section
Amendment 42 (Aled Roberts)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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0 |
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Amendment 42 was not agreed. |
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New Section
Amendment 53 (Simon Thomas)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies Suzy Davies Bethan Jenkins Aled Roberts |
John Griffiths Joyce Watson David Rees Lynne Neagle Ann Jones |
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Amendment 53 was not agreed. |
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Sections 53: No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore this section was deemed agreed.
Section 54
Amendment 24 (Huw Lewis) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).
Sections 55 to 57: No amendments were tabled to these sections, therefore these sections were deemed agreed.
Schedule: No amendments were tabled to the schedule, therefore the schedule was deemed agreed.
3 Children's Commissioner for Wales Annual Report
Members questioned the Children's Commissioner's on his Annual Report. The Commissioner agreed to provide the following:
An update on local authority responses to the Commissioner’s letter regarding the monitoring of budget cuts on the provision of services to children and young people.
A note on the Children and Young People Assessments, in relation to the Social Services and Well-being Act.
4 Papers to note
The papers were noted.
4.1 Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Health and Social Care Committee
5 Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:
The motion was agreed.
6 Inquiry into Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services - Consideration of draft report
The Committee made minor amendments and agreed to consider a final version in its meeting next week.